“I don’t believe in Utopia anymore. I’m too old for that.”

Calle & Gigi philosophize about nuts.

Books and articles mentioned:

• Who Owns the Future?
• The Cathedral And The Bazaar
• Cryptography is Not Enough
• Bitcoin is Time

In this dialogue:

• Where is the Utopia that the internet promised?
• “Neither nostalgia nor utopia”
• Net Neutrality is a moral stance
• Where did the internet go wrong?
• Tech as a tool; is tech always neutral?
• Technology that increases agency VS tech that enslaves
• Competition vs Symbiosis
• “Who will run the mints?”
• “Anyone” can use it vs “everyone” can use it
• Centralizing vs. Monopolizing
• Bitcoin has an ethos baked in (You Shall Not Steal)
• Passive internet vs active internet
• Agency in cyberspace, and how to maximize it
• Blinded custodian vs regular custodian
• User data is a liability
• Obscura / Mullvad / Silent.Link as obvious early adopters
• Run your own ISP - Tollgate
• Cryptography is Not Enough
• Bitcoin is Time
• Time requires heat
• Zero-knowledge service providers
• Electronic Cash vs Digital Cash (CBDCs)
• Credit requires KYC, KYC implies outside enforcement
• Writings on Micropayments by Nick Szabo
• eCash fixes 402, obviously
• Who Owns the Future?
• “You are the product” vs “Subscription Hell”
• “Hello old friend!!!”
• Cathedral vs Bazaar
• Why paywalls suck
• Information wants to be free
• “Markets become absurd as supply approaches infinity.”
• eCash + AI = match made in heaven
• #LearnToCode vs #LearnToPrompt
• Scarcity in cyberspace: compute, storage, networking
• Zero-Knowledge compute & zero-knowledge proofs
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-knowledge_proof
• https://github.com/AbdelStark/cashu-zk-engine
• Cairo: https://github.com/starkware-libs/cairo
• MCP https://github.com/AbdelStark/bitcoin-mcp
• MCP DVM: https://github.com/r0d8lsh0p/n8n-AI-agent-DVM-MCP-client
• DVMCP: https://mcp.so/server/dvmcp
• Olas & Nutzaps (NIP-60, NIP-61)
• Bitcoin is not only the internet of money, but it is the money of the internet
• Re-building the internet archive on top of nostr
• Bitrot & 404
• Resurrection markets & marketplace for hashes via Blossom
• Hugs 🫂

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