A conversation with Shawn Yeager and Derek Ross at the Imagine If conference in Nashville, TN. We discuss the current state of digital communications and identity with a specific focus on nostr.

Date: September 20, 2025

Shawn on Nostr: https://primal.net/shawn (https://primal.net/shawn) Derek on Nostr: https://primal.net/derekross (https://primal.net/derekross) Bitcoin Park on Nostr: https://primal.net/park (https://primal.net/park) Imagine If: https://bitcoinpark.com/imagineif (https://bitcoinpark.com/imagineif)

(00:40) Future of digital comms, identity, social (01:41) Diagnosing the problems: incentives, KYC, and broken trust (03:05) Censorship, shadow bans, and owning your social graph (05:00) AI, deepfakes, and can we trust what we see? (07:24) Algorithmic control vs user choice (10:10) Introducing Nostr: open protocol, healthier engagement (11:54) Digital health, doomscrolling, and parenting challenges (15:21) Youth safety on open protocols: responsibilities and tools (18:22) Give parents the tools: OS-level controls and UX (19:35) Getting started with Nostr: keys, Primal, and UX spectrum (21:17) Vibe-coding apps: Soapbox/Shakespeare on Nostr + Bitcoin (22:39) Permissionless payments and AI-built sites

Video:  https://primal.net/e/nevent1qqs0v7rgjh55wygwuc8pmqvk0qz6qts30uaut2c8lp4dgh9usw2cdpgnznwd9 (https://primal.net/e/nevent1qqs0v7rgjh55wygwuc8pmqvk0qz6qts30uaut2c8lp4dgh9usw2cdpgnznwd9)

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